There's No Such Thing As An Illegal Human Being...

[AlanM]

The old Left/Right paradigm is history. The opposing sides now, IMO, are individual freedoms versus the power of the state. State vs. individual.

[CNHT]

Jane, (and BillyC)
 Your constant reference to communists/socialists misses the point entirely. One Worlders have supported Communists, socialists, and fascists. The important thing is that are trying to get complete control. Once they have complete control, they will choose an economic system that suits their needs to retain power. Personally I think their desired system is National Socialism (Fascism) extended to worldwide parameters.

Believe me, the globalists are into equalization, which is socialism. The original point is that if you read the article in Boston.com you would learn that contrary to popular belief, it is not necessary for the, let's call them 'undocumented' just for the sake of reference, to go staging these events because:

1 - Yes there are tons of the undocumented in NH despite that people think there aren't...

2 - You never hear about them because they are NEVER DEPORTED even when caught by locals, and even when they give their name in an interview!

3 - One man even said he'd been here for 10 years, openly works in a bakery along with about 100 other undocumented people (thus proving the first two statements are true - yes we have many, no they are left alone and NEVER bothered even after being discovered via minor traffic violations and such...)

4 - The strife and demonstrating is orchestrated by the globalists to get people angry and rioting, since the US government is doing NOTHING to deport people, unless they are committing severe crimes like human slavery or something, as some were recently caught doing (they were not from Mexico but Pakistan/Afghanistan or someplace)

5 - Which makes the whole politically correct argument of calling people racists who don't like the situation, just playing into the hands of the controllers and was my whole point in the first place. But some don't get it Alan, I think you do though. (Thank goodness)

Meanwhile, being called a racist has gotten the US DOJ as well as the UN Agency for Discrimination on my tail simply for publicly denouncing the UN! Thank you Ian.

[BillyC]

Whatever, but the original point is that if you read the article in Boston.com you would learn that contrary to popular belief, it is not necessary for, let's call them 'undocumented' just for the sake of reference, to go staging these events because:

1 - Yes there are tons of the undocumented in NH despite that people think there aren't...
2 - You never hear about them because they are NEVER DEPORTED even when caught by locals, and even when they give their name in an interview!
3 - One man even said he'd been here for 10 years, owned a business, and employed 19 other undocumented people (thus proving the first two statements are true - yes we have many, no they are left alone...)
4 - The strife and demonstrating is orchestrated by the globalists to get people angry and rioting, since the US government is doing NOTHING to deport people, unless they are committing severe crimes like human slavery or something, as some were recently caught doing (they were not from Mexico but Pakistan/Afghanistan or someplace)
5 - Which makes the whole politically correct argument of calling people racists who don't like the situation, just playing into the hands of the controllers and was my whole point in the first place. But some don't get it Alan, I think you do though. (Thank goodness)

Meanwhile, being called a racist has gotten the US DOJ as well as the UN Agency for Discrimination on my tail simply for publicly denouncing the UN! Thank you Ian.

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More on this
http://infowars.com/articles/immigration/may_day_neocons_responsible_for_protests.htm

[CNHT]

The old Left/Right paradigm is history. The opposing sides now, IMO, are individual freedoms versus the power of the state. State vs. individual.

Very very true, but by pulling out the racism card, people are playing into the hands of the controllers, whether you want to call them the State or the Globalists, or whatever. With friends like that who needs enemies?

As Dreepa said, Georgists are collectivists, but no matter this, it's that the UN would love to have Vermont secede into their little geo-political enclave called the North American Region, one of 8 they have in mind for the world. If we were to secede here in NH, I would HOPE we would simply want to be an entity unto ourselves, and not be petitioning the UN for permission to join this region!

Search as I might I cannot find the map and plan for Agenda 21, as it's been pulled from the web. More and more stuff will be pulled as people find out about it and put 2 and 2 together.

[CNHT]

http://infowars.com/articles/immigration/may_day_neocons_responsible_for_protests.htm

Yes Billy that's exactly what I was talking about.   

[Caleb]

Jane,

First of all, where on earth did you get the idea that I was supporting the U.N.?  We just had a U.N. Flagburn a few months ago, for Chrissakes.

If you want to know who the single biggest opponent of "state sovereignty" is right now, it is the U.S. Federal Government, which actively works to undermine state and individual sovereignty at every turn.  The U.N. is impotent right now.  It's the U.S. that is doing all their work for them, even as Bush and co. pay lip service to the concept of "national sovereignty" they actively work to implement the U.N. agenda, and its easy to understand why:  The U.N. is nothing more than a U.S. created agency, created expressly for achieving exactly what the U.S. wants to achieve, world hegemony.

Secession, (i.e., destroying fedgov by splintering it into 50 sovereign nations,) is the only chance of destroying the "teeth" of the U.N.  I have very little interest in what the guys in suits sitting in N.Y.C. want to do, because they can't enforce it.  It's the big guys with the big guns in D.C. that you need to be afraid of.

Does the U.N. have aspirations of world dominion?  Sure they do.  They are a potential threat.  But I emphasize "potential".  The U.S. federal government is a clear and present danger, not just a potential threat.

And if you want to know what immigration is about, let me tell you.  They are trying to demonize immigrants in order to get the people to clamor for stricter "immigration enforcement".  Their solution will be biometric identifiers in national ID's.  THAT is what the immigration issue is all about, and I won't be any part of demonizing people who are just trying to feed their families.  Mexican families don't harm me.  The federal government does.  And if you want to say that they harm you by using welfare ... well, there's a simple solution to that:  DON'T OFFER WELFARE.  You don't have to demonize people, just quit giving government handouts.  Once again, at the root of the problem we find government.

Caleb

[Caleb]

By the way, the Vermont plan is not to join a U.N. "region".  It is to create a "confederacy" among New England States, wherein each state retains its own sovereignty.  They actually have plans to decentralize even the states, so that communities actually gain sovereignty.  You can debate the merits of the plan all you want, but at least get the facts right.  There's no Vermont plan to surrender Vermont sovereignty.

Caleb

[CNHT]

By the way, the Vermont plan is not to join a U.N. "region".  It is to create a "confederacy" among New England States, wherein each state retains its own sovereignty.  They actually have plans to decentralize even the states, so that communities actually gain sovereignty.  You can debate the merits of the plan all you want, but at least get the facts right.  There's no Vermont plan to surrender Vermont sovereignty.

Caleb

Whenever you appeal to the UN for 'permission' to join the North East Confederacy, which is the brainchild of the UN no matter what name you call it, you have indeed already given up your sovereignty!

Aren't you among the folks who regularly burn UN flags? Why would you do that, but then ascribe to some movement that is ill-advised and being steered by the enemy?

Please at least read this page:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates72.html

It's from Kat's list on the schools, but it does state clearly in item #1 of the first list, what that agenda is all about. That's just the educational component. Go then and read the UN's website, and see the plans they have mapped out for your very health, welfare, and yes, even your happiness! Imagine? We would have the ministry of happiness and love, just like in Orwell's 1984.

[Caleb]

Where did I say that I wanted to join in a confederacy.  I represent the Republic of New Hampshire secession group, not the Vermont secession group.  My group advocates that New Hampshire secede, and not join anybody.  Furthermore, I advocate that we then decentralize NH.

Caleb

[CNHT]

Where did I say that I wanted to join in a confederacy.  I represent the Republic of New Hampshire secession group, not the Vermont secession group.  My group advocates that New Hampshire secede, and not join anybody.  Furthermore, I advocate that we then decentralize NH.

Caleb

I had no idea what YOU wanted to do, I was merely responding to your defense of the Vt Commons people whom you yourself stated above had that purpose: "It is to create a "confederacy" among New England States"...here is the whole post.

Quote from: calibaba77 on Today at 09:21:09 PM
"By the way, the Vermont plan is not to join a U.N. "region".  It is to create a "confederacy" among New England States, wherein each state retains its own sovereignty.  They actually have plans to decentralize even the states, so that communities actually gain sovereignty.  You can debate the merits of the plan all you want, but at least get the facts right.  There's no Vermont plan to surrender Vermont sovereignty."

Also, what about petitioning the UN? I think that says it all in the way of a red flag, don't you?

[Dreepa]

They shouldn't have to ask anyone for permission. Asking for permission gives the assumption that you believe that they have the right to be 'over' you.

[Caleb]

I agree with you, Jane and Chris, about not asking the U.N. for permission.

However, I don't think that the Vermonters are trying to ask "permission" from the U.N.  I disagree with seeking U.N. recognition, but I understand their reasoning.

Their goal is to avoid what happened in 1861.

[aries]

I'm all for open borders, completely open. But I don't support the cause of people who want to leech off the welfare state.

I support the cause of people seeking freedom and the American dream, at any cost.

[CNHT]

I agree with you, Jane and Chris, about not asking the U.N. for permission.

However, I don't think that the Vermonters are trying to ask "permission" from the U.N.  I disagree with seeking U.N. recognition, but I understand their reasoning.

Their goal is to avoid what happened in 1861.

They petitioned the UN which sounds like they are asking permission. What was the purpose in that?

[CNHT]

I'm all for open borders, completely open. But I don't support the cause of people who want to leech off the welfare state.

I support the cause of people seeking freedom and the American dream, at any cost.

Sure but no one is being deported. The man in the story owns a business, has been here 10 years, employs 19 others in a similar situation, and apparently is not afraid he'll be deported because he even gave his name, and the name of his business. These phony demonstrations make it look like they are being deported though. It's all being orchestrated to incite hatred and fear in the population. How is it that people can think that the gov't engineered 9/11 but isn't capable of doing this?

If they are here, working, and doing fine, then I say leave 'em alone! There is no excuse to skip work though.